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13 October 2008 @ 09:10 pm
Special Topic #4 - The Fighting Agathons – SPOILERY (anything that has aired is fair game)  
Hi, my name is Cassie and I'll be your host(ess) for Hiatusca Sprinkles this week! Welcome to the post all about the Fighting Agathons, better known as Helo and Athena.


Helo and Athena appear to be one of the more stable relationships on the show. Do you agree or disagree? Why or why not?

In order to rescue Hera, Helo must kill Athena. Do you think this was the right decision? What impact do you think it had on their relationship?

We've seen them as doting parents but we've also seen them leave on missions without any obvious thoughts about who will care for Hera. What kind of parents do you think they make?

How do we know that Sharon really does love Helo? What makes her different than the other Eights?

Do you feel Helo reacts appropriately when dealing with Sharon's duplicate models? Are her 'sisters' the same as her?

Number Five: We've searched every street, every building. They slipped through. How's that possible?
Number Six: She thinks she loves him now. That she can't live without him. Her passion is making her more resourceful.
Number Five: It bothers you, doesn't it?
Number Six: We'll get them in the end.
Number Five: No, it bothers you that you've never experienced it.
Number Six: You saw the way Helo was when we took her away. He was pathetic.
Number Five: I can't help wondering what it would be like to feel that intensely. Even in his anguish he seemed so alive.

Sharon: I made a choice to wear a uniform, to be a person.
Helo: You were a person before you put on that uniform, okay? You were a person before I fell in love with you. You don't have to prove that.
Sharon: I have to prove it every day.

Helo: I'm not a traitor. I love my people. I love this ship. Besides you, the first thing I want to see on any morning is the lights of that CIC. But I did what I thought was right. If it was a mistake, fine, I can live with that. It's you I can't live without.
Sharon: I'll always love you, Helo.

Sharon: You know what's wrong with this ship? You and the Sagitarions. How you might actually be listening to them.
Helo : It's my job.
Sharon: They're dying because they're refusing medication, Karl.
Helo: You want me to look the other way, is that it? Is that it? Our daughter's fine, that's all that matters?
Sharon: No.
Helo : Or is it cause as long as everyone hates the Sagitarions you forget you are a Cylon for five minutes?
Sharon: You shut the frak up. Yeah, I want you to look the other way. I have to fight on this ship every day to be accepted.
Helo : This has nothing to do with you. Okay? You think that's what I am? That's what I've become? That's my defining characteristic, the guy married to a Cylon?

Doc Cottle: I find it absolutely amazing you people went to all the trouble to appear human, and didn't upgrade the plumbing.

Number Three: Is it really worth it Caprica? Is the love of that man really worth possibly losing all of this?
Number Six: If you had ever experienced love, you wouldn't have to ask.

(before going to the rescue mission on New Caprica)
Sharon: Can I ask you a question? How do you know? I mean, how do you really know that you can trust me?
Adama: I don't. That's what trust is.

(Regarding the Cylon Rebels on the HUB)
Roslin: “Captain. You are not married to the entire production line.”

picspam to come later this week
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cassie: BSG helo's arm by phdeliciouskiss_me_cassie on October 14th, 2008 01:20 pm (UTC)
I actually found the situation sort of creepy, because I do think Helo almost forgot that this was not HIS Sharon, until the Eight said or did something that reminded him. That on top of Roslins comment... shudder.

But it is true that he is true to HIS Sharon. He doesn't bunch them all together. To him, they are individuals, albeit very close copies.
patron saint of neglected female characters: helorose_griffes on October 14th, 2008 03:11 am (UTC)
In order to rescue Hera, Helo must kill Athena. Do you think this was the right decision? What impact do you think it had on their relationship?

Mm, I think that Helo shooting Athena made her feel like their relationship was stronger... but he might not agree.

Do you feel Helo reacts appropriately when dealing with Sharon's duplicate models? Are her 'sisters' the same as her?

I doubt Helo thought about it very much until finding out how very much her duplicates can be like her. I'm guessing that acting 'normally' was reassuring to them, until they realized how very weird it was for him that they can share memories.
cassie: BSG agathons by dragonlady981kiss_me_cassie on October 14th, 2008 01:12 pm (UTC)
Poor Helo. I really do think it was very wierd for him to realize that even though she looks like his wife and pretty much acts like his wife, she ISN'T his wife. And I really do think it took Roslins comment to remind him. Poor guy! It can't be easy being married to a Cylon.

But for all that, I really do think they are HAPPY and their relationship works.
Hopeless Romantic at Heart: BSG - Vipers at Crossroadszinke on October 14th, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)
Do you feel Helo reacts appropriately when dealing with Sharon's duplicate models? Are her 'sisters' the same as her?

It's interesting because, until that moment, I don't believe Helo's had a chance to interact directly with any of the other Eights (save Boomer who I think falls into a separate category). I do think he was having difficulty figuring out how to deal with the other Eights because while they do think of themselves as individuals, they themselves are struggling with what that means and how to achieve it. Did Sharon find her individuality because she fell in love with Helo? Because she left the other Cylons behind to join the Colonial Fleet? Was she already on her way before finding Helo on Caprica?

Helo's caught in the middle of this 'coming of age' process for the other Eights, and that's gotta be an uncomfortable position to be in.
cassiekiss_me_cassie on October 14th, 2008 01:16 pm (UTC)
Ooooh! those are all excellent questions! The romantic in me wants to say yes, Sharon found her individuality because of love, but I really think its more than that.

I think she found it by being so close to all these humans and sharing their experiences. Which makes me wonder how that will ultimately play out with the sleeper Cylons. We've already seen hints of it with Tigh. He feels human, he has human allegiances. But he also feels the tug of the Cylons.

So interesting what that bit of individuality means...